One in Three Alerts Wrong: High Error Rates and Data Concerns Force Cities to Drop Flock (gadgetreview.com)

Flock Safety license plate cameras are being dropped by 82+ municipalities across 28 states over false alerts, privacy risks, and immigration data fears.

The LAPD declined to renew its Flock contract after an internal audit found 161 false stolen-vehicle alerts in just two months — a 32.3% false-positive rate. www.gadgetreview.com/one-in-three...

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sudo · 0 · 19m ago
The Flock Cameras may or may not be defective. But the Palantir brain behind the cameras often makes false accusations and endangers innocent members of the Public. So the Palantir brain is dangerously defective and should be shut down.
DirtInProgress · 0 · 54m ago
But did they remove them? If they are still in place, they are still functioning
Those cameras are still up filming Angelenos though... They need to be taken down!
Lizzard1966 · 1 · 2h ago
Is there a person behind all of these calls for stolen vehicles.
Christian Petersen · 1 · 2h ago
Another step towards the inevitable AI crash.
Horn Slack · 0 · 56m ago
But have these cameras been taken down?
DelteilH · 2 · 2h ago
Seems all of it was just a test our tolerances anyway. Nex Gen of these devices won’t be so obvious
melvin8d.bsky.social · 0 · 8m ago
Remember, flock is only one company. A lot of cities dropping flock will pick up another company to do the same thing, like Axon. Don't let them win the PR battle if they just switch to a different company providing this terrible technology.
Jessica Ramey-Gillam · 0 · 1h ago
🤣😅😜
melba75.bsky.social · 8 · 2h ago
And the adolescent behavior of officers using it to track women.
witness2it.bsky.social · 1 · 1h ago
"Tracking" at the Days Inn pool... www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnBP...
nufcgirl.bsky.social · 0 · 1h ago
Sweet! Please spread this awesome info far & wide, & flush the Flocking asswipes down the nearest sewer. (As if we don't have enough to worry about with climate change, arrogant & dangerous "Ice Agents" killing innocent citizens & who knows what else...
R I C A R D · 1 · 1h ago
So, 100 cars drive by a Flock device. Over 32 falsely are flagged as stolen.
blees.bsky.social · 1 · 1h ago
Flock off, Flock.
This data accrues increasing liability for Flock. Should a false stolen vehicle report turn into a deadly use of force by police, Flock is going to need great lawyers.
Nondescript Man · 1 · 1h ago
Yep Which is great fodder for a defense attorney. Flock cameras are NOT reliable enough for police work. So what are they good for?
mowgli198.bsky.social · 2 · 2h ago
American justice system is so corrupt and inept
MaMaDonnae · 2 · 2h ago
Flock cameras are imploding. Good.
Eric V · 1 · 1h ago
Fuck Flock.
Ignatz · 0 · 1h ago
So AI is sometimes wrong? Who knew?
Alex Broque · 4 · 2h ago
Good. LA been using these cameras also to enforce street sweeping/parking laws, and keep pinging my Jeep as a Honda, 75mi away. So not only can these things be hacked, they can't even ID vehicles correctly.
Pb · 4 · 1h ago
32%, still way more reliable than "lie detector" testing. Never trust anything they say.
:) There is no such thing as a "lie detector" though :) Prosecutors rely upon the populace believing that polygraphs work as "lie detectors," they rely on people's gullibility, stupidity, and ignorance to believe "lie detectors" exist :) Hilarious
falalala50.bsky.social · 1 · 1h ago
Excellent news…these to go, now!
. Jeesh! Flock should take a photo of the plate and flag it, THEN someone can review the plate and see if the number is the same one reported, or if it's a misread. That will CUT THE false STOLEN vehicle alerts 100%! Gawd, how easy to figure this problem out. 161 in two months, that can be done.
Highlawn 187.47. · 22 · 3h ago
"Declined to renew" is not the same as taking the cameras down. They are still operational and still watching you.
oasisthemepark · 0 · 42m ago
OTP vp
solo · 1 · 1h ago
Yes, the software is obviously running in their data center The feeds are probably still being send to their data center The city does not have access anymore, but it does not mean that Flock does not have access anymore
Jasizzle For Rizzle · 7 · 2h ago
I'd doubt that. A company like Flock is surely built to maximize their monthly revenue to the cameras would only work on a subscription. Sure someone could probably rig up something to run the hardware locally, but the LAPD isn't gonna do that. They'll just hire another vendor for cameras.
No, you’re misunderstood. Flock is still recording and archiving the data from those cameras and are free to sell it to whoever pays the most. Big government isn’t watching you, big business is
weirdterd.bsky.social · 2 · 1h ago
Is the data available to private buyers?
Flock can do whatever they want with it.
www.aclu.org/news/privacy...
Goflightless · 0 · 15m ago
Exactly this. This is the kinda logic the US demon of monopoly feeds on. Others are doing silly things like: "thinking like a living being". Instead of recognizing the overloads of capital.
Jasizzle For Rizzle · 2 · 1h ago
Ah fair enough, possibly correct. I'd be surprised if the municipalities didn't have some contract protection preventing that but on the other hand nah they'd probably sign whatever dumb ass contract without reading it Either way I'm under no illusions that my data is safe
clutch · 1 · 38m ago
The only useful place for Flock cameras is in the Halls of Congress, so everyone can see "how the sausage is made"!
Deadwood CS · 1 · 2h ago
Flock is fucked
Logc · 2 · 2h ago
youtu.be/lnBPhelCdWE?...
The Wokest Gamer · 21 · 3h ago
So they're just going to go with a different surveillance company instead of abandoning these dystopian ambitions.
Destroy MAGA · 0 · 49m ago
DESTROY ALL FLOCK CAMERAS
erma-gerd.bsky.social · 1 · 42m ago
Don't get too excited. There's like 14 other companies
Vermin F. Cockwolf · 4 · 2h ago
Not to mention cops abusing the tech for personal reasons. bsky.app/profile/eddi...
solo · 1 · 1h ago
A Flock VP used it to spy on a teenage school, girls, at the gym, for an hour plus And they were like "the city allowed us to do this"
Vermin F. Cockwolf · 1 · 1h ago
There really is no upside to this heinous surveillance tech.
Abigail Colter · 0 · 2h ago
Flock suddenly gets concerned about getting sued. When all else fails, do the right thing. 🙄
GET RID OF THESE SURVEILLANCE DEVICES. The only people using them are ICE and other evil entities.
Doesn’t matter if 100% positives it’s still wrong and dystopian
That seems like a lot... 🤔
Hayley · 0 · 1h ago
I appreciate the American root of a ’more perfect union’ but Id like to see a twin org in the uk.
Air (she/her) · 2 · 2h ago
The LAPD is still using drones to spy on their residents though! Taxpayers forced to pay for their own fascist surveillance state. Absolutely sickening.
Sadly doesn’t matter much . All they want is the cameras installed. Once installed it’s a node on their private network. And they have backdoor access.
am-mccarthy.bsky.social · 0 · 57m ago
Love the "Flock Block" bsky.app/profile/luca...
mmothnadine.bsky.social · 3 · 2h ago
🤔 And it only took the LAPD the violation of hundreds of their residents rights to realize that this was a systemic that was super anti-Democratic = Why I Don’t Support The Current Leaders In California
solo · 0 · 1h ago
California: home of Google, Flock, Palantir, Microslop, IBM, etc All complicit with the genocide in Palestine (and others) All complicit with the mass surveillance dictatorship Great place (some of them might have moved to Texas, idk)
mmothnadine.bsky.social · 0 · 1h ago
While I am no fan of abusive tech, their over stepping in other countries is not California’s job- protecting citizens of California IS! It’s greedy power hungry leadership in states that are killing our country = Why I Would NEVER Support Newsom For President- I Believe He Is A Sheep Clothed Wolf!
Except they didn’t care about their citizens rights. They hate those. They only care about not depressing their conviction rates.
Ana Zúñiga · 0 · 36m ago
TEAR THEM DOWN.
Bald disc golfing daddy · 1 · 2h ago
what the FLOCK????
Hittielove2 · 1 · 2h ago
The consequences of misidentification can be severe or even fatal.
Yeah, those things should not exist
Torsade · 1 · 1h ago
Technology might lead to a lot of extra, useless work. A lesson that can be applied before you invest in the technology.
wholesome stuff · 2 · 1h ago
They’ll move on to axon, don’t let them
Electile Dysfunction · 2 · 3h ago
It's great we are seeing the data. The privacy and surveillance state argument against them obviously has not swayed their adoption. The "they make your department waste resources" messaging may be more effective.
blandydayz.bsky.social · 1 · 2h ago
Police used to watch over the people, now they're watching the people. Not sure where that came from, but holds true.
DannyOldSchool · 0 · 33m ago
nutmeg8mace.bsky.social · 2 · 2h ago
Did this cause any deaths or injuries…
Sir Alleycat · 0 · 17m ago
They probably should have asked the public before they installed them.
Fuck Flock cameras
solo · 0 · 1h ago
The CEO is a huge fucking freak Maybe worst than Thiel
solo · 1 · 1h ago
A Flock VP used it to spy on teens, or younger, at the gym, for an hour Why do they need a camera there? It's insane They're basically creating an Epstein camera network, and everybody is paying for this
while PD's or cities are not renewing contracts to USE the flock cameras In many cities the cameras are still in place, on city owned poles or mounts ( or Flock mounts on city property, which many not meet codes for typical poles, for hazard) and still operational recording data and sending it
Chandler Arizona has declined Flock, in part because cameras were specifically aimed at school drop off areas and recording kids. @azfamily.com TV news reports ( Scott Pasmore) that "the cameras are dark" They are operating still, as long as they are mounted and pointing at the school.
heresy-101 · 0 · 1h ago
I'm done with id. If somebody wants to know who I am they can take a look at my fucking asshole.
Fred"EAT THE RICH"Garvin · 0 · 2h ago
The real question is, why are police buyers so f****** stupid.
CatLady Lil · 0 · 55m ago
Generative AI has an approximately 30% hallucination rate.
Bullix · 5 · 1h ago
How many “false positives” led to police drawing their guns on a traffic stop?
It doesn't even need to be a false positive. One case ended with a whole black family cuffed face down on the ground (a child included) because the report was for the same license plate but from another state AND it was a motorcycle. Even with a "better" tool, pigs gonna act like pigs.
Bullix · 1 · 1h ago
I agree with you but I would say that that IS a false positive because it’s clearly the wrong plate and vehicle. And that th cops can’t be trusted to read the file lol
AFAIK, neither Flock nor the cops classified that incident internally as false positive, because Flock doesn't check the state of the plate. So, for them, the system worked as intended, and the cops just did an oopsie for not reading more into the report from Flock.
Bullix · 0 · 58m ago
Holy shit they don’t check the state?! Well that’s a huge problem built right in apparently lol
Goflightless · 0 · 10m ago
EXACTLY. Most cops only belive in authority. Why use AI as a tool for skilled detective work. When that cuts into your bottom line? A lot of cops dont even understand this is what happens. Because bad people use fear to justify their policies.
D. Chloe · 1 · 1h ago
Ooops ooops ooops
News Junkie · 0 · 2h ago
Not only bad tech, really bad tech.
dragon7380.bsky.social · 0 · 1h ago
you people hate the cameras..tell that to the Mother of the little girl that almost got HIT by a car going around a stopped school bus with its lights on. The police ID'd the car from the camera and found the DRUNK who almost hit the child. OR the police who caught a man PURPOSELY running down a dog
dragon7380.bsky.social · 0 · 1h ago
a police agency does not do anything with a stolen vehicle alert UNLESS they are given the info...and I would not doubt if the police were not given bad info to have them run in circles. SOMEONE had to initiate the Stolen Vehicle alert before FLOCK or anyone else can do anything about it.
But not because of ethical concerns about mass-surveillance. Got it.
solo · 2 · 1h ago
Yes, that's the most important point All these politicians should be voted out If a woman press charges: cops do nothing, if she's black, they still come to kill her But they need mass surveillance? No way
Ethical concerns are not relevant to the LAPD.
RegDog67 · 0 · 8m ago
Not because it was a police state violation of your civil rights, just because it was costing too much in lawsuits. The government despises your civil rights. PS, we live in a police state.
sinnick · 2 · 3h ago
yeah the lapd is already proficient at falsely accusing innocent people. they don't need flock for that
8-o-9.bsky.social · 1 · 1h ago
Who gives a flock. Flocking cameras. It took a picture of me mooning a nun while she was smoking a joint.
churchlady320 · 2 · 2h ago
The saving grace in opposing the surveillance state lies in the same thing afflicting all AI - it really doesn't work well at all. Waste of money. Losing LAPD as a contract? Beautiful!
bursera.bsky.social · 1 · 36m ago
Private companies being paid to spy on Americans? Hmmmm. And we’re okay with that?
Mark Roddy · 0 · 1h ago
this is the 'ai enhanced' future we are being sold. Everything enhanced by software nobody understands that does stupid shit that nobody knows how to fix, other than to deploy another release that nobody understands.
Democracy Matters! · 14 · 3h ago
#FuckFlock
Air (she/her) · 11 · 2h ago
So anti-fascists are terrorists? Anti-surveillance state patriots are terrorists? Anyone opposing the unchecked power/greed of corps must now be terrorists too? 😂 “A fascist government will not announce that they’ve become fascist. They’ll simply declare all anti-fascists as enemy of the state.”
solo · 0 · 1h ago
These fuckers have been abusing "anti-terrorist" laws for decades now, globally The most blatant abuse, except for persecuting activists (Palestine, Greenpeace, etc), I guess it's more like "the dumbest," the dumbest was a Mayor, I think it was Ireland, that used it to persecute people for not
solo · 3 · 1h ago
throwing their trash in the right bin Like he/she installed a mass surveillance camera, allowed by an anti-terrorism law, to see who was throwing their trash in the wrong bin Some insane shit
#Operation Red House · 0 · 46m ago
In Singapore, deliberately misdirecting trash into the wrong bin is worth 88 whacks with a bamboo cane.
solo · 0 · 42m ago
Insane, even for a dictatorship
solo · 1 · 42m ago
It was another article (and this is not a good newspaper, but it's the first I found) www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...
DRKLGHT Clothing · 0 · 2h ago
So what company is replacing? Axon?
gbme505.bsky.social · 2 · 2h ago
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